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General Two approaches to win

cypher

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We all know most systems lose. And unless you're new to gambing in general, you'd understand the concept of the house edge. Its basically disparity between payouts and odds. If you dont undertsand it yet, you need to do some reading. The wizards site is a good resource but a little on the complicated side for newbies.

Here I'll explain the two main ways of playing any gambling game.

Firstly, advantage play. Unpopular on forums, and poorly understood. Most forums, in particularly the roulette forums, have members with poor knowledge of it. The simple way of looking it is any method of changing the odds, typically though exploiting whatever mechanism determines game results. eg for slots, it may be hunting for older machines or ones with jackpots that a due. I say due, because some literally do have payout timing that can be predicted although nowadays its rare. In gambling generally, otherwise nothing is due. In roulette, advantage play is something like bias where physical conditions of the wheel cause som numbers to spin more than others.

Secondly, are the usual gambling systems that all eventually lose. But there is hope. Im not going to say advantage play is the only way to win, because it isnt. But read carefully. I know of many gamblers who have done very well with systems that are guaranteed to eventually lose. These players are aware of the shortcomings of their systems, but the majority of them are still winning. Some even make a damn good living with approaches not exclusive to one game.

I'll continue in the next post, where I'll explain more about building a system, not advantage play, that really does work. Im not talking about the usual bullshit you'll read in most places. I'll gladly go head to head with anyone who wants to challenge facts. Im not a wannabe player. Im one of the people doing it, and I personally know of many others. I can afford to share some of the information because it wont stop me or anyone from winning, and I wont release any of the best information. Thats just how it is. Nope Im not selling anything. Ever. I dont have the inclination to have customers for anything. If your application of my advice hindered me in any way, it might be different. But many of my advice can be applies in any gambling game. More to come soon.
 

VLS

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cypher said:
I know of many gamblers who have done very well with systems that are guaranteed to eventually lose.
Interesting Cypher. I always thought along such lines: to me, the most valuable thing you can achieve as a method player would be to have a system which (even though it doesn't beat billions and quintillion spins) gets to give its user/player a good chance to win during the very spins he/she will experience in life.

Thanks for sharing your real-life observations. They are motivating.
 

cypher

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VLS said:
a good chance to win during the very spins he/she will experience in life.

Yes that's it.

An example with blackjack is bet a progression +1 unit after losses, and -1 unit after wins but your bets will still get too large and you might have a losing streak for 30 or so games. Not necessarily consecutively losing, but losing a lot more than winning. So you need a reset rule like use the progression and when you are up on your previous bankroll total, reset the bet amount to 1 unit.

There are two more rules to it.

The second is if you are in a losing streak for some time, then mildly increase the unit size. So if you were initially playing with 1 unit = $5, then in following rounds you make your unit $6 ($5 + $1 chip).

There is a third rule I may explain another time.

The aim of the betting strategy is to use a combination of careful progression and variance management. In roulette, variance management could be betting 30 numbers. If the other 7 (or 8) numbers hit one after the other, or in a short space of time, then sure it can happen but it is not likely to continue. It is not that there will be a definite balance, but when is there ever not an eventual balance? You can only take advantage of that with progression.

This approach with other careful rules will work for almost any game. It might not last 10,000 games, but most players will not play that many. If you have say a $10,000 bankroll and played with $5 units, this approach could earn you $30,000 in a year.

The downside is the longer you play, the greater your chance of losing the lot.

Again I stress this is not a long term viable strategy. Yoou arent going to make millions unless you play with a large bankroll. Its not that you need good luck for this. Its more that you need to hope you dont get bad luck.
 

Fiona

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Thanks cypher for sharing all of this very useful information. I think that a lot of people feel that winning is a huge stroke of luck when in reality it is all in how you play the game. I hope to someday be really good at figuring all of this out. I know that you mentioned Blackjack as an example, but could these strategies be used for all of the game out there?
 

lordcole

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You really know your stuff man. For a long time, I always thought that gambling was a game of luck until I realized that eventual winners really put in a lot but as much as they may not always win, they are always in a better position to predict an outcome. I can't wait for more.
 

dicesetter

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All true but maybe you are forgetting lots of people can take the same advice and use the same system, and the majority are still going to lose. You cant control who is the winner or loser.
 

Rainbow Umbrella

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Cypher this is super helpful! I always assume that winning is just about chance and the stars being aligned in a certain way, but it's good to know that there's is some sort of method to the madness.
 

gizmotron

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Cypher, with a name like that, do you by chance recognize this cipher?

Code:
 put (((  ((S1[a + 1] + S2[b + 1]) mod 4294967296) bitXor S3[c + 1]  ) + S4[d + 1] ) mod 4294967296) bitXor xR into xR
 
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