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Craps Is dice setting really possible?

22doh

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I think I know the answer most people are going to give but wanted to get some thoughts. For those who don't know dice setting is just controlling the outcome of dice throws.

Does anyone know any credible sources that say it's possible
 

blackops

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This one is a real mixed bag of results. For it to be possible you would need ideal conditions. Just remember that each dice needs to hit the bumper.

In our casino if a player doesn't hit the bumper we just gave them a warning but we wouldn't allow them to repeatedly do it. So if you had a number of different players over time who could influence the outcomes without hitting the bumper, then to vertically yes it would be possible. But considering the practicality of it you would need a lot of different players.

I'm not saying it's impossible and I have seen some things to make me think, but I think it's quite unlikely
 

blackops

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Another thing I think worth adding is a lot of the testing involving dice influencing uses methods that even proponents say doesn't work

What one test in particular involves dropping the dice directly down. But for it to be effective the proponents say there needs to be rolled along an axis
 

Red Suit Guy

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Black ops that's interesting but I think where that theory comes unstuck is dice must hit the bumper with little diamond shaped parts that scatter the dice everywhere.

So the axis is going to be changed
 

statesman

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I don't think it is at all possible. Except of course in rare conditions you aren't going to find in modern casinos

There have been tests involving the axis but as was said before once it hits the bumper, all bets are off so to speak

This has been debated all over the place and I'm yet to see any credible information to support it
 

22doh

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Thanks guys but maybe this is a question best asked to people who actually tried.

Being reasonable is one thing but without experience how are you supposed to know?
 

steve

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Yes you never know anything until you try. Start with simple die from ebay and see how predictable rolls can be. They really aren't that different to more expensive regulating die if you are just doing curious testing.
 

Tolly

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Setting the dice to get an exact result doesn't work because the dice have to hit the bumper, but I've heard of something called dice control which is just trying to affect the odds of an outcome and there are stories and experiements where that seems to. Frank Scoblete did an article where he lost $1800 to a dice controller when he bet against them on 500 throws.
 

steve

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500 throws is short term. It wasn't a smart bet. A meaningful test takes much more time and tedious testing
 

Tolly

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500 throws is short term. It wasn't a smart bet. A meaningful test takes much more time and tedious testing
True, but don't forget most dice controllers aren't trying to get an exact outcome, just influence the odds. If they can reduce the odds of a losing throw they can eliminate or reduce the house's edge. I have seen people who use trick throws to slide the dice to get exact results, but casinos normally block that by insisting it hits the bumper. There's a nice demo video of it here:
 

Stealth

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Yes, there was a team (Stanford Wong) who did dice setting. I had lunch with one of the members who said the edge was small and the difficulty in actually doing it was incredible. Took hours and hour of practice only to be confounded by different craps tables having different "environments". Pad was not the same, table length varied, etc.

So a qualified yes, but don't quit your day job.
 

Tredger

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This certainly is a controversial theory and my personal opinion is that it is possible and there are people who are doing it out there, but I think it would take way too long to learn and it's not something I would want to dedicate my life to mastering.
 

randy

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Interesting discussion we have here. I would say dice setting is something that has become popular over the years. I'm not sure but is it true that this is not allowed in certain casinos? I remember one time when I was in a craps table and there was this gentleman who was taking ages to find his set. It got everyone really annoyed.
 

sparc yhw

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I think I know the answer most people are going to give but wanted to get some thoughts. For those who don't know dice setting is just controlling the outcome of dice throws.

Does anyone know any credible sources that say it's possible
If Heavy is a member of this forum you could ask him about it
 

sparc yhw

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Thanks guys but maybe this is a question best asked to people who actually tried.

Being reasonable is one thing but without experience how are you supposed to know?
good advice there , a lot of people have opinions about the subject based on little or no knowledge.
Like other things the best source of information is people who have experience
 

zephyr 12

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You are not going to find a credible source saying that it's possible, because it simply isn't. It's the bumper. That is precisely what takes the wind out of the sails
 

sparc yhw

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You are not going to find a credible source saying that it's possible, because it simply isn't. It's the bumper. That is precisely what takes the wind out of the sails
The first questions I normally have in response to statements , pro or con is
How much time did you spend in the process of your research into the subject , how much time spent learning and how long have you or did you spend employing the process before you decided it did or did not work . In short I am interested in how much actual research did a person do to form the basis of their decision / opinion?
I seek opinions derived from fact as opposed to arbitrary opinion so that I may make informed decision as to the viability of a subject
Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
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