# RouletteElectronic Roulette Theories

#### Raptor

##### New Member
You might find Fibonacci trading works because enough people are influenced by it in the market. It could be a kind of feedback loop.

#### 22doh

##### New Member
maybe look at this

It looks like a bankroll trend chart

#### Phi

##### New Member
Yes a chart like that but maybe more like this

You see those kind of spirals all in nature but probably most recognisable in a snail shell

#### Red Suit Guy

##### New Member
This is something quite interesting but does anyone have experience in Fibonacci trading? Does it actually work or is it more hocus-pocus bullshit?

#### shOOter

##### New Member
So what you are doing is predicting bankroll trends instead of game outcomes. How would you use is exactly?

#### shOOter

##### New Member
Okay lets assume it did actually work and now I see it can apply to craps. The question I see is how do you know the spy was a coincidence

It just looks like they could fit anywhere and I don't see exactly how it works

#### Phi

##### New Member
So what you are doing is predicting bankroll trends instead of game outcomes. How would you use is exactly?
Simplest would be money-management by increasing or decreasing bets based on winning and losing trends you are expecting

#### Phi

##### New Member
Here look at this

HOW TO TRADE WITH FIBONACCI NUMBERS

WHAT ARE FIBONACCI NUMBERS?
Leonardo Fibonacci introduced the Fibonacci numbers to Western mathematics in a 13th century book.

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 34, 55, 89, 144, …

Each number is the sum of the two numbers preceding it. Fibonacci numbers have unique properties and a special connection to the Golden Ratio.

Now, I will hand over to mathematician Arthur Benjamin, who is far more qualified to explain the magic of Fibonacci numbers.

The magic of Fibonacci numbers is found in nature and biology. Designers, architects, and even computer scientists apply Fibonacci sequence in their work.

It is not surprising that, somewhere down the road, traders decided to give Fibonacci a chance. However, instead of using the Fibonacci numbers directly, traders focused on the Fibonacci ratios.

34/55 = 0.618 (Divide by next number)

34/89 = 0.382 (Divide by the next next number)

34/144 = 0.236 (Divide by the next next next number)

From these ratios, we got a whole host of Fibonacci trading techniques. These techniques have grown in application and complexity. And it is definitely possible to build a trading strategy completely around Fibonacci trading techniques.

• Anticipate price action, and not react to it;
• Attempt to find support/resistance areas;
• Are calculated based on a selected market swing.
The predictive nature of Fibonacci trading tools draws traders who are sick of lagging indicators.

For clarity, we applied the different Fibonacci tools below on the same bull swing from a weekly chart of SPY.

FIBONACCI RETRACEMENTS
This trading technique uses Fibonacci ratios to project price levels where we expect retracements to end.

Choose a market swing so that you can plot the retracement levels. The chosen market swing will define the range as shown in blue. Then, we apply the Fibonacci ratios within that range as shown by the black dotted lines.

In this example, price found some support at the 23.6% level but punched right through the 38.2% level. However, the golden ratio level (61.8%) provided solid support and stopped the retracement.

FIBONACCI FANS
From Fibonacci retracements, we are able to draw Fibonacci fans which are a series of trend lines starting from the same point.

This is the same chart as above. We added the Fibonacci fans in red.

Draw a vertical line down from the peak of the chosen swing. Then, draw a trend line that passes through the lowest point of the swing, and the point where the vertical line and a retracement level intersect. There are three retracement levels, so there are three trend lines.

For down swings, apply the same logic.

These trend lines act as support and resistance as circled in black.

FIBONACCI EXTENSIONS
This trading technique is similar Fibonacci retracement. However, instead of projecting retracements within the range of the swing, it projects extensions beyond the swing and is useful for planning price targets.

We used the same chart as earlier examples but included more price action to the right of the chart. The black extension lines are possible resistance levels.

The 23.6% level was a decent conservative target. There was also a minor resistance at the 100% extension level. Some of the extension levels acted as support which demonstrates the flipping of resistance to support.

FIBONACCI CIRCLES & ARCS
Apparently, straight lines are not enough. Let’s bring market geometry to another level. Come on, bring the circles in.

These circles add a time element to Fibonacci trading. The curves are reminiscent of parabolic chart patterns and the Parabolic SAR trading indicator, which come from the concept of accelerating prices.

The top of the swing acts as the center of the circle. Draw a circle using the swing as the diameter and you get the 100% circle level. Then, use Fibonacci ratios to calculate different diameters for the other circle levels.

Circle trading uses entire circles as potential support and resistance level while arc trading uses only the bottom half of the circles (below the red line). As you can see from the example above, the 61.8% circle level was a great support for price. The other levels are less impressive.

FIBONACCI TIME EXTENSIONS
Apply Fibonacci extensions to the horizontal time axis and you get Fibonacci time extensions. The extension lines mark out when we can expect the market to turn.

In this example, the 138.2% and 200% extensions caught the turning points.

Since these are time extensions, do not use this trading technique on charts without a time base.

Another Fibonacci trading technique that uses time is the Fibonacci time zones. It projects time extensions using Fibonacci numbers instead of Fibonacci ratios. From the chosen point, it extends 1 bar to the right followed by 2 bars, then 3 bars. Then, another 5 bars followed by 8 bars and so on. You get the idea.

HOW TO REALLY TRADE WITH FIBONACCI NUMBERS
Fibonacci numbers are near magical in nature and biology, and are wonderful in design and arts. We might find part of that magic and wonder in financial markets driven by human psychology.

At least some academics agree with the power of Fibonacci numbers in financial markets.

(Read: A computational exploration of the efficacy of Fibonacci Sequences in Technical analysis and trading & The Applications Of The Fibonacci Sequence And Elliott Wave Theory In Predicting The Security Price Movements: A Survey)

However, Fibonacci trading techniques, like any other trading method, are fallible. Do not attach mystical power to it.

Regardless of whether Fibonacci numbers are magical, they offer a useful framework for analyzing price action. For example, 38.2% retracement is a shallow pullback and 61.8% is a deep pullback. Instead of blindly classifying pullbacks, we have a framework to help us assess pullbacks.

The Fibonacci trader needs to exercise discretion in two main aspects.

First, we need to choose the swing that serves as the basis of our Fibonacci projections. We need to decide what is a market swing and adjust the selected swing as price action unfolds. A rule of thumb is to focus on major and clear market swings. Do not clutter your charts with too many lines and curves. (A common trap for Fibonacci traders.)

Second, we must decide if the projections are effective support/resistance. As shown in the examples above, not all projected support/resistance levels work well. Looking out for reversal patterns at projected Fibonacci levels is an effective trading method.

You can also consider other ratios in your projection. Some popular ratios we did not include in our examples are 50% and 78.6%. 50% is not a Fibonacci ratio but it works well. I find the zone between 50% and 61.8% useful for Fibonacci retracements. As for 78.6%, it is the square root of 61.8%.

#### Trinsic

##### New Member
Simplest would be money-management by increasing or decreasing bets based on winning and losing trends you are expecting
That's an awesome application of Fibonacci trading. Great stuff. Now what do we do?

#### steve

##### Member
A bankroll trend might have similar behavior but markets are influenced by price fluctuation. So there's a feedback loop. It doesnt mean there isnt possibility in it with bankroll charts, or frequency of numbers. A better representation would be a 3D chart.

#### steve

##### Member
and this:

All every follows a particular path, and is influenced by other energy. Why would seemingly random events be any different? It isnt different. It's all cause and effect. Its just that modelling it is much more complicated than a few spirals because there are far more variables going on.

Water spirals in then out, to a point then out again. Everything on some level follows the same path. Again though the problem is the complexity because you are dealing with far too many variables. It doesnt mean longer term waves cant be predicted. That's where I suggest looking.

#### 777

##### Slots player
Why not just try the techniques that were posted to see if the bankroll trend as any real world application with gambling?

#### shOOter

##### New Member
Just check and there is loads of software you can buy that is supposed to apply Fibonacci stuff to predict trends but some of it is very expensive

Maybe someone here already has a good program?

#### Phi

##### New Member
I could do some testing on this if anyone wants to help maybe post some of your bankroll charts and see if Fibonacci does apply

It only needs to be random number generator maybe it can be done in Excel

##### New Member
I've played RNG Real Money for a while. Take this for what it's worth. I've noticed RNG's will usually let you win your first bet with a *1st tried* solid system to build your confidence. That's when I quit.

##### New Member
Here is a good overview about online RNG's in general

#### steve

##### Member
Yes some casinos don't use proper rng and spins are rigged. But casinos in more modern jurisdictions use certified fair random. But even with fair rng you can't change the odds, so winning long term is impossible unless you have extreme luck.

#### Monfaire

##### New Member
I was reading through these posts trying to make sense of the strategy and my number one question is - How do you keep track of this strategy? Do you have to remember all of this in your head and make decisions as you play?